Angus McThag responded to my post about the Bundy affair,
and made a salient point about adverse possession, and wondered how that rule
might apply in the case of Bundy vs. the BLM.
First, to those who don’t know, the rule of adverse
possession is an important part of our property law that you should all
probably know about. It basically says
that if person A uses or improves person b’s property in some tangible way for
a period of 7 years without person b telling him to stop, then that piece of
property becomes the legal possession of person a. The use may be as simple as just walking
across a corner of the lot every day, and beating down a trail to do so (you
wouldn’t gain possession of the entire lot, just the trail that you used).
So many people are wondering if Bundy might not have a claim
to that BLM land via adverse possession, since his family has used it for 100
plus years now.
The answer is a very straightforward “NO.” Even Bundy,
himself, isn’t trying to argue otherwise, and he’s taking some pretty serious
liberties with what laws he thinks apply to him.
Property owners can avoid adverse possession in one of two
ways. They can either grant an easement
to the person using their property, or they can evict them.
Granting an easement is as simple as drafting an agreement
that says “I, the property owner, allow you, the property user, to use my
property under the following terms and conditions.” There are many types of easements, but the
simple ones that most people are familiar with are things like leases, rental
agreements, and access easements. As I’ve
said before, my family is big into wheat farming on the Palouse. My family allows what are called “custom”
farm outfits to farm their land quite regularly, since most of them are getting
too old to farm their land themselves. “Custom”
outfits are essentially landless farmers, who just farm other people’s
land. One outfit has farmed family land
continuously for 20 years now, but they hold no legal claim to the land at all,
because my family has signed a lease agreement with them. If they farm it for 150 years, we can still
kick them off the ground in year 151 if we so choose, per the terms and
conditions of the lease agreement. It is
the risk you take in using ground that you don’t own, especially ground off of
which you earn your livelihood. That
custom outfit would be in deep doo-doo if my family terminated their lease, but
that is the risk they take. A family can
rent a house for 30 years and not own it in year 31, and be evicted without
recourse, because the rental agreement stops the clock on adverse possession
But if that same family squatted in that same house for 7
years, and the property owner did nothing about it, they would own that house. Or, if the rental contract expired, and they
continued to live there rent free for 7 years, they would own the house.
For the 100 plus years that Bundy’s ranch has used BLM land
to graze, he’s had an agreement with the BLM to use that land. He is not a squatter. The permits he was supposed to be buying were
the lease agreements, just like my family ground with the custom outfit, and if
the BLM decides not to renew, or to limit, or whatever, he’s got no
recourse.
Essentially, for that reason, his family has no legal claim
to that ground based on years of use, via adverse possession.
The next question, then, is what about once Bundy
essentially became a squatter in 1993 and stopped paying for his permits? That’s been more than 7 years, so why doesn’t
he own the ground now?
The answer is twofold.
One, the government first tried to evict him in 1997. That’s only four years, not 7, and an attempt
to evict stops the clock on adverse possession, even if the tenant chooses to
defy the eviction order and stay, as Bundy did.
If you give an order to evict, and the tenant won’t leave, and you do
nothing for 7 years, then the tenant gets the property, but the BLM didn’t do
that. They’ve been fighting to get Bundy
off their land pretty much continuously since 1997. So check that off as a reason.
Two, even if the government hadn’t tried to evict him, and
he’d been using that ground without their permission for 7 years without them
doing a damn thing about it, the ground still wouldn’t belong to Bundy because
of one key exception to adverse possession:
You cannot take
adverse possession of (AKA condemn) public property.
This is actually a common sense exception, when you think
about it, because public ground, by definition, generally allows anyone access
without having to ask permission. You
don’t have to ask permission to use a park playground, or hike on a forest
service trail. If it were possible for a
private citizen to condemn a public property, then all he’d have to do is walk
on a BLM trail every day for 7 years, and that land would be his. All he’d have to do is swing on a park swing
every day for 7 years, and the park would be his. All he’d have to do is graze cattle on the
ground under the radar for 7 years, and he’d be able to take possession of land
that belongs to the public.
Get the picture? That
exception to adverse possession exists exactly for situations like this, to
keep men from being able to surreptitiously take possession of public ground by
grazing his cows there. It exists
because of guys who venture back into the forest and build ramshackle cabins,
and if that cabin isn’t torn down in 7 years, he claims that public forest
ground as his own.
It exists because of men like Cliven Bundy.
Now I am thinking of mowing the lawn next door. The house has been vacant for quite a while and it needs mown. Seven years of mowing nets the adjacent property if they don't tell me to stop? Seems quite a deal!
ReplyDeleteIt does, doesnt it?
DeleteProblem is if all you did was mow the lawn, thats all youd get:
The lawn.
The law is strange...
Well, then I could tell him to get his dogs off my lawn! The same people own the next house down as well.
DeleteAnd you would have more real estate for which you could holler at teenagers to "get off your lawn!" which, as I get older, I find really is quite amusing...
DeleteObviously you are a card carrying democrat that wants more govt. You probably drink prince Reid's bathwater too. The problem with your interpretation of adverse possession is you conveniently leave out the hundred years before 1997. His family farmed the land and has an adverse claim due to his ancestory. You and all your snarky socialist buddies I see making remarks about Mr. Bundy are way out of line.He is not a criminal for defending his heritage and way of life. He is more of a man than you'll ever be.You are also a fool if you think the govt wants this land over grazing rights.You are going to look even more stupid than you already do when it all comes out of what this is really about.You are no Perry Mason,not even a Matlock either.
ReplyDeleteI responded to you in a post above this one.
DeleteAdverse possession laws vary by state. The seven years You mention is not a federal law. Here in Hawaii adverse possession takes over 20 years. Some states adverse possession takes as few as two years.
ReplyDeleteI knew that they varied by state, but I did think that the 7 years was pretty much universal, so thanks for the new knowledge.
DeleteI work primarily in three states, all of whom use the 7 year standard, so I guess I wrongly assumed that that standard was universal.
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ReplyDeleteProbably not a good idea to use an easement to avoid adverse possession since it is added to the dead and is difficult to get rid of. Better to "license" the use of the land, which can be revoked at anytime, usually.
ReplyDeleteNot a lawyer, so make sure to consult one for legal advice.
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