I spoke to another person this weekend who was convinced
that Israel is just using the rocket attacks perpetrated by Hamas is an “excuse”
to further their “holocaust” and widen their “apartheid” against the Palestinian
people.
Those two terms, by the way, are sort of mutually exclusive,
but never you mind that.
Just so happens, he spends his winters in Apache Junction,
Arizona. So I asked him to consider
something.
I spoke to him on several points, and asked him to consider
this not-too-far-out-there scenario (it has actually happened before):
Imagine, for a second, that you’re in Apache Junction one
day, and rockets start falling out of the sky.
All told, 400 rockets are fired off over the next couple of days, and
just in the area around Apache Junction, you know of 3 children who were killed
by a rocket while playing in a park, and two businessmen who died in their
office, victims of a direct hit. All
told, the death toll in Apache Junction, Phoenix, and surrounding areas
approached the death toll of the Newtown shooting.
Now, consider that such attacks occur two to three times a
year, and each time it happens, another 20 to 30 people are killed.
It is discovered that a Reconquista movement has
strengthened itself, and has become emboldened by what it sees as the United
State’s reluctance to engage in direct conflict after Iraq and Afghanistan, and
has decided to “take back” the “occupied” territories that were captured from
Mexico during the Mexican/American War.
Part of its game plan is a terror
campaign waged against the people of the American Southwest, and a large
portion of this group’s ranks are filled with people who want to see very
single American citizen killed.
Hat Tip: Ace of Spades |
How long would you stand for such a thing before you
demanded action?
His reply was a muddled, theoretical cop-out, as was
expected, which supported taking violent action against the reconquistas, but
still condemned the Israelis, focused on the following points:
- American “occupation” of formerly Mexican territory, and Israeli “occupation” of Palestinian territory (formerly Trans-Jordan) are entirely different:
- The Palestinians are acting in self-defense, whereas the Mexican movement would be the belligerent party;
My responses were as follows:
The American occupation of formerly Mexican territories, and
the Israeli “occupation” of Palestinian territory are the same (they are
territories invaded, captured, and kept by the victorious party at the
cessation of hostilities), but are also different, for reason’s I’ll discuss
below. However, the important thing to
note here is that the ways in which they are different actually make the
Israeli actions MORE justified than my Mexican scenario, not less. Consider that the Israelis are “occupying”
Palestinian territory as a result of aggression waged against THEM in all cases
(both wars in which Palestinian land was “occupied” were a result of
Palestinian and Arab aggression against Israel, not the other way around),
whereas the Mexican/American war was much more morally ambiguous, resulting in
what was more of a penis-measurement contest than a true “you’re attacking me,
and I’m defending myself” situation. Also,
consider that Palestine was never a nation-state, whereas Mexico WAS, and you’ll
further see how the Israeli defensive action, which he did not support, is
actually MORE defensible than the defensive action discussed in my scenario, which
he did support.
As for the Palestinians acting in “self defense,” I asked
him to name one time – just one – where the Israelis were the initiators of
violent action, and he could not. How
one could be acting in “self-defense” by initiating violent action, when none
is first threatened, is beyond me, but his reasoning failed on this count,
also.
There is a phenomenon out there called “Israeli Derangement
Syndrome” and it basically sums up the belief systems of people who cannot
fathom that strong, powerful Israel is not the aggressor in this
situation. They look at power structure,
and always assume, based on their worldview, that the stronger of two belligerent
parties must always be the initiator, and must always be in the wrong, because
these people are largely cowards. They
cannot imagine, themselves, a situation where they would initiate violence against
someone stronger than they are, and so can only imagine a world where the
stronger of two belligerents MUST be the initiator.
They refuse to accept the fact that weak, small, ineffectual
Palestine is the aggressor in this situation, and that until they do, the
Israeli conflict will continue forever.
For as long as the aggressors – the Palestinians – have the widespread
support of these people with IDS, they will continue to launch unprovoked
attacks against Israel, with widespread support.
Goober. Thanks, that helps. I occasionally run into the same type of idiot and I really like your analogy, and analysis. Now and then, not nearly often enough, they're just misinformed and when given facts and timelines, they get it - sadly, that's kind of rare. If you ever come up with the 2x4 to the head argument ( the one that actually rings their bell and get's them to see sense) I'd love to hear it. It's just so hard trying to talk with people that refuse to acknowledge reality. There's something about a LibProg brain that allows denial to trump even the most 'in-your-face' facts.
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